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It has become apparent that this user has been convicted of the attempted murder of her ex partner, Rémy Chartier, and that she has been sentenced to two years which she will serve in the community.
Many on this site have expressed extreme anger at the length and type of her sentence, and feel that she has been favoured by the judicial system because of her disability.
While we as zoners are unable to have any influence on the sentencing carried out by judges across the world, we do have the ability to express a view, and perhaps influence what goes on on this site.
I feel that, considering this user is currently serving a sentence for an extremely serious crime, she should not be permitted on this site, as being on this site is giving her a freedom which, in the view of many, she should not be entitled to.
Also by being able to access the site, we are actually giving her the opportunity to converse with people which she would not have the opportunity to do were she serving a custodial sentence.
On a more serious note, there are some on the site who may be unaware of what this user has been convicted of, and there is a possibility that these users could be influenced by her in a negative way.
I propose that this user’s account be suspended until such times as she has served her sentence. I also propose that her IP address be blocked and that every possible effort be made to ensure that she is not able to sign up to the site under a different user name.
I would urge all those who viemently disagree with this user's crimes to sign this petition.
Here here! But as long as she gets to hear my audio profile first! LOL!
I red this and then mats bit about his profile, which of course menat that i had to log in and here it so i thought i'd ad my name to this list.
This is the only time that i'll join a partition about getting someone band coz after all, it is meant to be free speech and all that kinda stuff but she did some pretty fucked up things so yeah she deserves it.
BEN.
I agree with this petition. Having access to this website is a lactury and she shouldn't have access.
Being in prison means get away from the outsite world and this website gives her the oportunity to speak with people from all over the world which is not right.
I disagree. while murdering her partner was undoubtedly a horrible crime, and while I think that she has been favored, and while I think her sentence should be longer, that has nothing to do with the internet world, and nothing to do with this site.
She didn't murder anyone in cyber land, the internet is a free place, and her punishment, however light and unfitting it was, doesn't extend to the cyber world; no matter how much you might want it to.
yep I agreee, and she doesn't have to listen to my audio profile cos apparently it's not one of my better ones I'm told; thanks guys! seriously yep I do agree
If i had the punishment she had for any reason i wouldn't see it as such. I would see it as two years holidays.
She should have the punishment of her actions and as i said having access on this site is a lactury
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Gees, aren't you guys taking this a bit too far? You know there are some low-security prisons in the US which allow inmates to chat online. Some serial killers receive mail from fans or pen-pals. Or what, do you fear that this user, if it is the same young woman, will begin to grow a following by fellow zoners? lol And are you guys sure that this is the same person? If it is, then everybody knows by now what she did and that she is to be avoided or at least approached cautiously. Instead of persecuting her, you ought to try to understand her. I say this only because I don't believe the attempted-murderer and the user on this site are the same person. Maybe I should check out her profile though. lol
In her profile says that she has got a criminal record and she didn't regret anything. So it must be her.
Holy smokes! lol The profile does say something about her having a dark past.
How did you find out about this shit? Friggin crazy!
Before signing this, I want to see your sources. This seems too far-fetched.
In my opinion, this person, if she is serving a community sentence as stated, still has the right to use the Internet and make contact with people. As far as I know she has not violated any of this site's terms of service.
As I would always say in these cases, use the ignore feature if you do not with to communicate with people.
I don't know. Mel might be right but i feel that by giving her access to this site it would be like forgiving her of what she did. If her actions don't have any consequences why she would want to change? Shen can do it again.
If her ex boyfriend is a member on this site this is another reason why she should be band from this site as a way of protection to him and a way to show to him that we didn't like what happened.
Mel, thanks for investigating. I wanted a CL's opinion, so I asked you. Case dismissed. The Zone verdict is: not guilty. Again, for the record, the verdict is: not guilty.
If indeed there is no doubt that this person is the guilty party then I think she should be banned from this site.
It's not so much that she should be punished since she is serving a lite sentence whether we like it or not, but I agree with the statement that there may be people on here that aren't aware of what she did and who's to say she won't ever try something like that again.
Granted there are probably other people on here that have dark pasts, but in her case it can be proven that she has attempted killing someone.
No she didn't kill anyone on the internet, but anyone on the internet can be anywhere and are real people so so I don't think that's a good argument.
I think she should be banned too. Anyone who attempts to kill someone unless it can be proven that it is in self defence deserves to go to prison, the disability card just doesn't work for me, and they also deserve to have all their privileges taken away from them. Who cares if prison is tough, she should have thought of that before committing the crime.
I want a cl or admin too post on the board before I due any thing
I disagree. She has not vilated any rules on the Zone as I know of, plus as Hunted Lovely pointed out this is the internet and you really don't know what the people you chat with have done, will do, or might do if given the chance. Also we don't know the facts of this case. So I say if she's the person let her stay.
yes. it's not our job to dish out cyber punishment.
Unfortunately, no matter what may or may not have happened, this all refers to an event that was outside of this site's domain. If she had used this site as a part of a criminal act, that's another story. But since the prison has saw it OK to allow her to use the Internet, then that is the decision that they have made. Certainly, the legal process, the luxuries that are given in prisons, and morality as a whole can be debated, but on a different board. We have several to choose from.
ok all. you may think i'm out of my mind but i agree with wayne, cala and J. there all right. it didn't happen on the zone. therefore the zone has no grounds to ban her.
like J said, it didn't happen here so he can't do that.
now, i'm not supporting the fact that she is blind as an excuse or the parrents. crime doesn't pay but it did not happen here on the zone.
Ok, i've spoken my peace on this subject.
Well, I think this is one of those issues that if enough people felt strongly over it then of course us staff would have to take peoples views on board and discuss it, however, I think Mel has already made her stand point clear enough above and I shall attempt to do the same.
In my mind I don't think it's right that we should give ourselves the job of both judge, jury and indeed enforcer on this user. Now I understand that a lot of people may well feel strongly about what this user has purportedly done, attempted murder is of course an incredibly serious thing and something that on a personal level I find abhorrent, however I equally don't think that gives us the right to say what this person can and can't do. I think it's important to remember that while the sentence may well seem extremely lenient to many of you, the decisions that were taken in this persons case were taken by people who are in possession of all the facts and not just what they've read in a couple of glorified news paper reports. If the Canadian law courts believe this person is safe just being under house arrest, with access to all the creature comforts of home, such as the ability to use the Internet, then I feel it is highly presumptuous of us to jump in and start imposing our own sanctions.
Quite aside from anything else, things would quickly become impossible to make calls on if you really took this type of action to it's extreme. Take what Sugarbaby said in her initial post to this topic for example. She says that as a convicted felon this user may attempt to subvert other users of this site so on that strength her account should be disabled until her house arrest period is over. This logic actually makes no sense to me though. At the end of this time the user in question will still be a convicted criminal so what would make this user any more suitable as an active member at that point? Or what about Tara who in post 17 effectively said that unless this person had attempted to kill in self-defense the account should be disabled. So now apparently we're giving ourselves the right to say that it's fine to try and kill somebody, just so long as the user was doing it for the right reasons? Or how about this as a thought. If this user is to be banned on the strength that they may have a bad influence on other users, then should this policy of banning convicted criminals extend to anybody who has fallen foul of the law? At what point are we supposed to draw the line. Is rape acceptable? What about burglary? How about people who have defrauded a company? For that matter we do have sighted members on this site, if we hear of one getting a parking ticket are they also to be instantly excommunicated on the grounds that they may insight others to a life of crime?
I believe already in this thread others have made the point that this is the Internet. Absolutely anybody is free to create an account here if they so desire. For all any of us knows half the active users on this site could have killed, raped or maimed a fellow human being in the passed. Unlikely in the extreme I grant you, but the point is you just never know. Now as a community leader I don't believe that that's a judgment I should be expected to make on your behalf. Everybody comes here knowing that this is a website on the Internet and should have some understanding of the inherent dangers that come as a result. I'm nobody's parent, I can't be expected to look out for every single user on this site every second of the day. That's something that people, if they can't already, have to learn to do for themselves. So as I stated above, I don't believe making calls of this nature to be my job as a community leader. We have some rules and regulations on this site that are there to try and ensure the smooth running of this place and to my way of thinking, so long as a user operates with in the parameters of these guidelines, then they're welcome to remain. Equally, as I also said above, if enough people feel strongly about this issue then of course the Zone staff would have to discuss the issue, however I'd strongly urge everybody to think about it as impartially as possible instead of just jumping in with both feet and shouting ban ban ban.
Dan.
It isn't the job of the community leaders or admins to decide whether her sentence is fair or not and then to act based on their feelings. The courts made their judgments and sentenced her accordingly, and whether you like their decision or not, that's how it is. As has already been stated, the point is open for debate and has in fact been debated quite a bit recently and in the past, and that's fine so long as you keep things in perspective.
It was said in the first post that she is currently serving time for an extremely serious crime and should therefore be unable to access this site, with which I agree, but again, that's not the decision of the community leaders or admins. Those with the power to make such decisions have apparently decided that she should be allowed to use the Internet, so she's within her rights coming here. It was also said that there are users who may be unaware of what she's done and who could consequently be negatively influenced by her, and that her account should be suspended until her sentence is over, and I agree with Dan as far as that's concerned. She'll still be the exact same person when her two years are up, so who's to say she wouldn't then come back and have the same negative influence you're afraid she'll have now? And lastly, to say that by allowing her access to this site we're giving her the chance to chat with people all over the world, which is an opportunity she wouldn't have if she were serving a custodial sentence, is a completely invalid argument because again, the courts sentenced her as they saw fit and they obviously feel that the Internet is something which should be allowed her. While I don't at all condone what she did, and in fact I find it quite disgusting and horrible, I think it's a bit unfair to start petitioning for her to be banned.
I agree with all those who oppose this petition. I hate mob rule, and that's what this is. Nothing more, nothing less.
Those responsible for handing out her punishment have spoken, and they aren't us. So, get over it.
Bob
I can't believe that a topic such as this had actually been posted.
Sure enough, no one can argue that murdering someone, isn't a serious crime.
If you don't want to talk to a criminal, ignore that person, that's why we have an ignore feature on the Zone.
As someone said previously, this is an open website, and anyone who respect the rules on this site, may join it.
As far as I know, the user in question didn't do anything to violate rules on this site.
If you really want to go on a banning spree, please focus on those users who do violate the rules on this site, thank you.
I agree with the partission. I also agree with the comment made by a user concerning 2 years holiday. She did horible things and should be punnished more saverely for them.
hmmm, i'm not sure what to think on this.
i've spoken to her a few times, but then sometimes, she has all quicknotes turned off, and i think she is signing up here trying to protect her identity.
i think she is just a user, and should stay. she's done nothing wrong on the site, anyway
here's a question? where is your proof! all i've seen is she should be banned. where is the actual reason. i want facts not beliefs.
Ok please allow me to illaborate.
Firstly, of course we don’t know the history of everyone who signs up for an account here. And of course it’s possible that we could all be chatting to a number of people with shady pasts. But the difference between them and this user is, we know what she did. And she was convicted of this crime while being a member of this site.
For me this isn’t about playing judge and jury. And it isn’t about metering out punishment on top of that which she has been given by the judicial system.
On the other thread there has been absolute outcry at the fact that the reason she appears to have been given such a lenient sentence is because she was blind and the victim of over protective parenting. By removing her from this site, we as a blind community would be sending out the message that we do not wish to be associated with that. It also gives the message to her victim, who is also blind, that we, as a site where the visually impaired are encouraged to go, are on his side. If he wanted to sign up here do you think he would feel comfortable doing so knowing that the woman who was convicted of trying to kill him was being welcomed here?
Of course people can use the ignore feature but what does that achieve? Nothing. Because she doesn’t talk to a lot of people on here, so by putting her on ignore I wouldn’t achieve anything, it’s just another person on my ignore list, but if she were removed it would send a very clear message to her that we, as a community, detest what she has done.
She tried to kill someone. Had he not escaped he would now be dead. And she wasn’t found guilty by a jury, she pleaded guilty. And her profile openly says that she wasn’t ashamed of what she’d done. Would you be happy if someone like that, who was serving a sentence for attempted murder became a regular at your local pub? Is it different because she’s on the internet rather than an actual person you don’t have to speak to face to face?
Of course we wouldn’t be looking to ban people for parking offences etc, but we’re talking serious crime here, does anything really go? If it was a convicted paedofile would that be ok too? Given that this site offers multiple opportunities for contact between a potential criminal and a potentially vulnerable victim.
It’s one thing saying that total freedom of speech is ok, that anyone from anywhere in the world is welcome regardless of their age/gender/sexual preference/race, it’s quite another to essentially openly encourage convicted attempted murderers on to the site where there is potential for them to befriend their next victim.
As you just said, "she wasn’t found guilty by a jury, she pleaded guilty"
In my book that is creditworthy.
And, yes, I actually think it's different when you're talking on the Internet to someone, as aposed to real life.
At least this woman admitted openly what she had done.
Don't you think it's just as bad, or even worse, if some older person comes on here, and misleads younger people, and all of this hiding behind false and bad intentions?
I agree with the last post. Couldn't say it better myself. By letting this user be here we give the message that we like the fact that blind people might be in advantage bcause of the blindness. If anyone else did exactly the same thing they would be deffinately in prison without internet.
But some users who ask for more evidence are right. How do we actually know that this user did that? I personally believe the people who said she is the same person even if i don't know her because blind comunity is small and people know each other. She was on the television so i asume people know her voice etc. But it is a valid question.
Oh and one more thing:
Did anyone ever took the trouble of listening to both sides of the story, I mean, to hers, as well as to that of her former husband?
Just asking ...
I posted at the same time with Q so when i said last post i ment sugar baby lol.
i still haven't gotten proof. all i know is that ou ar saying she did it she did it she shouldn't have the site. facts please.
Rat, in her user profile you can read all about what she had done, if you want proof.
However, it still isn't reason to ban her.
actually no, I don't think it's creditworthy to admit that you attempted to kill someone. I also don't see what the ex's side of the story has to do with it really, had she pleaded not guilty then of course the other side would matter, but she admitted to doing it.
Q I think you make a valid point about older zoners who come on here to perhaps prey on the younger ones etc, and yes, I think that there is too much emphasis on everyone being responsible for their own actions/safety on this site. I think that community leaders should be there to look out for those users who are perhaps more vulnerable and more likely to fall victim to those users who have perhaps more questionable motives. and I think that they should take a more hard-lined approach to people who cause trouble on here. Most other websites would not tolerate the kind of things that happen on this site, so it's therefore little wonder that this site does attract more than its fair share of weirdoes.
So you want this banning to occur to send a message to her as well as to her ex that we as a community don't support what she's done? Sure it's a nice fluffy idea, to stand together and let her know that we think what she did is terrible, and to give her ex a nice warm fuzzy feeling and let him know that it's safe to join this site if he hasn't already, but that's not our job as a community. If you as an individual feel so strongly about it, then there are other ways of expressing yourself, but I still maintain that asking the community leaders and admins to make that decision and ban her is very unfair.
As for the Internet being different than real life, I agree with Q that it is, but I also think that if it were a pub or something of that sort in question instead of the Zone, my reaction would be the same. If she's not breaking any of the rules of her sentence by being there, then she's well within her rights and shouldn't be prevented by anyone else. I would do the same thing in an offline situation as I would online: avoid her and don't talk to her. And how does banning her for the length of time she's serving her sentence accomplish anything in the way of protecting potential victims? As has already been said, when her time is up and she's allowed to come back, she'll be the exact same convicted criminal, and if she's not sorry for what she did now, I doubt she will be then. It's not the responsibility of those who run this site to be policemen and bodyguards, and by the rules of the Zone, she hasnt done anything ban-worthy.
She's been sentenced, and her sentence includes the ability to access the Internet, and I think that's all that really needs to be said.
It's not a fucking partition, folks, it's a petition. Please learn how to spell, you're making yourselves look really stupid. As for banning this particular person, they didn't do anything on the site to violate the terms of service, so in my mind this person should be able to visit the site if they so choose. if you're at all worried about your safety, stop and think. they can't do anything to you, this is the internet. and whose to say that other people from prisons or other institutions haven't logged in here? You don't know that, so don't try to tell me that you know that's the case. I think the community leaders have certainly spoken.
I agree with post 39 wholeheartedly.
As most of you have seen on the other board, I strongly disagree with the punishment this psycho girl has recieved! In sayig that, I don't think this is grounds for her to get banned. As many have said in here, the law made her punishment and although it may be to freaking easy for her. It's not our decision to make! We all know there are some fake people out there that have made claims to be people they're not! now don't we!
As far as the banning goes, How do we even know this is the correct girl? Let's just say the staff bans this user name? Say she's not the right one she just heard the story and seen how much of a fuss we were making about it! So she decides to call her self the stabbers name?? so yeah, she gets banned. Along comes the real stabber and she's out talking to all the so called vulnerable ones as you put it. So now how did that solve anything?
The staf I'm sure isn't wanting to check out each and every one of the users on this site and do a criminal background check!
Are we then going to start banning those that cheat on their husband's or significant other's? I mean i'm sure they are going to be talking to some vulnerable people! This may not be as severe as the attempted murder!, and i agree with that. But where does it start and where will it all end? The staf is here to make sure the site is running properly! not to be guardian angels of each and every one of us! ! That would be nice, but yeah, it's not going to happen. this is reality not a dream world! Well, I'm not so sure of that one! hehehehehhhahahah Smiles, Shea
Once again I am going to ask if you ever took the trouble of finding out why the girl did what she did?
If it is true that her husband abused her, then all I can say is, he's lucky to be alive. How fair is it for a man, physically and in some cases emotionally stronger, to abuse and ill-treat and bully someone weaker than himself?
Whether he deserves to be alive is of course then, another question.
And please take note that in the previous post, I clearly stated: "if it is true"
I didn't say: It IS true.
well, just wanted to add my 2 cents to this as usual.
Although the canadian courts have given her what is, in my opinion, an extremely leaniant sentance, if she takes 1 step out of line by doing anything illegal, she will be sent to prison indefinitely.
Also, her future children, should she decide to have any, will most likely be removed by social services due to her apparent instability. So think of this. What's more important. Her having her kids stay in her custity, or the internet. If it were me, I'd worry more about her poor kids. Chances are, she won't be allowed to keep them, or get a decent job because she'll have a criminal record for life because she was convicted of a felonious act.
Well, that's my take on it, and I take comfort that even though she has the internet, any job that requires a criminal record check, she most likely won't get. so that part of her life is essentially rouined.
Later all.
The lovable, huggable, Canadian Great White.
Well in my opinion if she hasn't broken any of the rules which apply to the Terms and Service then she has every right to be here. Until she breaks one, she is welcome here.
If you all feel so threatened by her presents then ignore her, don't talk to her, simple enough solution don't you think?
And besides it sounds like she already got her sentence working in the community for 2 years. I mean the least what will happen is if she has any kids they may take them from her because of her actions and her job opportunities would be limited cuz of her criminal record.
Really in my opinion that adds on to her sentence in a way or that's how I look at it.
About post 37, which other sites are you referring to? Myspace certainly wouldn't react any differently, nor would Facebook, Livejournal, etc. There are too many sites for the blind that regulate everything. I don't have to mention names. This site, from the very beginning, was designed to combat that. Does it allow for more weirdos? Certainly. But does it also require more responsibility from the users? Absolutely. Too many sites are dumbed down for the exact reason that people should be able to come to this safe cozy place where others will take care of them. And while it's great to have compassion, it's not so great to have everything handed to them. Our job is to make the tools available to people if they wish to talk to this person. We have ignore. We now are trying board search so they could find this discussion very easily and learn the basis for this issue. They can ask other people and get a range of opinions.
We have a staff of 7 for about 4,000 accounts, of which maybe a few hundred are active at any one time. To expect more from the community leaders would turn their position into a full-time job which a bunch of premium memberships wouldn't even come close to supporting financially. Remember that some other sites would probably just have this topic deleted since it could be seen as controversial. But I think it stands as a good lesson and representation of the issues that are faced by a growing community website like ours.
Thanks, everyone, for writing, and keep on posting.
J
I must agree with Clair, for the simple reason that a chrime of this type would, in most cases, would put someone away for a very long time. In the public relations department, consider this. If we are seen to be supporting a known convicted fellon by allowing her to freely use our services, the PR the zone gains from it is disasterous. And let's face it, as much as I love this sie, it's public image is going down that road without this problem hanging over our head. I strongly suggest that the zone does what is safe for itself and bann this user. What's more important, a user not violating the terms of service or a user violating the law.
well, i think that even if shes banned from the sight, she won't have access to a computer anyway at the prison.
ok guys, get over this seriously, if you don't like it, stop coming here, take your own lives intoy s. if the law is that terrible, go back to school and get your own law degree and change it. you don't know the facts, and yo all you who are saying ban her are getting on youro wn self rrightous blindy activest soap box and chanting that your just like everyone else. we're not, we're different, like it or lump it, it's fact. I don't think she gompathy vote, and the onlyo ne whos got any right to complain if he feels the sentence is to lenient is the x. let the girl and the guy, ith t their own lives. and do the same with yours.
isn't that the point of these boards, to voice your own opinion? I don't hink by doing this anyone is putting themselves on a soap box! I'm sure there are laws that you don't agree with! So by discussing this doesn't mean that we all don't have lives! it's a topic and like you said if you don't like it get on with your life and don't read it! I by no means agree with getting this girl banned. But at the same time I sure don't think it's fare to say there putting themselves on a soap box for not agreeing with us. Each of us are allowed our own opinion. the world would be boaring if we all didnt' discuss things we didn't agree on!
smiles, Shea
exactly, and all I amd oing is expressing my view. all be it very badly. sorry about the typos. uni computers are messed up with their jaws configuration. still, looks like I have my point across. All I was saying by the soap box comment. Is that if this girl wasn't blind, if we wern't blind, we wouldn't have an issue. mean s the problem here the fact that we have a blind girl put on house arrest and we think that is a lenient sentence given the crime? Or is it because she's blind, and we feel it is a slight against us as a community of blind people, and is yet another indocation of the general sited publics attitude towards our helpless pittyfull states we must be in. I think it is the second Given that someone openly stated that by banning her we would be demonstrating our intollerance of such treatment. lets go out there and research how many other people have been put on house arrest and the reasons why. Decide if we agree with them. then if we don't, we can go and create a partition to make their lives a mizzery too. bann them from internet, television, hey why not confine them to one room for most of the day too. I mean that's what you all seem to think jail should be like anyway? I think that jail should be more about rehabilitation than punishment, that way there would be less reoffenders. will that make people feel better if we took a more proactive stance towards this rather than ganging up on one girl just because she is a zone member, because she's blind, and because we know she has a criminal record? Apparently that makes a significant difference according to some of you. Well look, if we knew every floor, and every dark secret of every person we met, we'd probably never leave our houses, Everyone has done, or will do, something you don't like, and just because you know about it, doesn't give anyone the right to go out there and rally against it, getting the public on your side, for some cause that isn't at the end of the day going to make a bit of difference to your lives. I'm sure you can all sleep soundly in your beds at night, inspite of having a convicted attempted murderer, on a web site that you might visit on occasion. I have to say that I have been absolutely horified at the attitudes of some of you who have posted to the other board adressing this particular case, preaching lock her up and throw away the key, and yet your studying welfare and counselling., or are already qualified people in the welfare industry. Where's the compassion. I'm not saying to rap ehr up and tell ehr it's alright. but maybe she's not ashamed of what she did because of any number of reasons that by the sounds of things noone has considered.
myself, i don't care weather she is blind or sighted. She tried to kill this man. and as i said in the other board, it really doesn't matter to me the reason she did it! I have read a few different news clippings on this, and not once has she said she was defending herself. she said it was because her parents sheltered her. where does this guy come into that?
and ok you say the prisons should be rehabilitating it's prisoners, where is this girl getting rehabilitated? i'm sure sitting in her house isnt' working! as i said before you do drugs and you get hard time. attempt to kill and get house arrest. somethings wrong with that! I'm not saying lock her up and throw away the key. but do something to help this
i would feel much more sorry for this girl if she didn't have in her profile she isn't ashamed of what she did! so not being ashamed of it and not being somewhere getting counseling and that would take a lot, things aren't going to change!
i do agree with you it's going a bit over board starting this post of wanting to ban her! the law has made it's decision, and for some reason was light on her. We may not agree with that, but the zone don't need to start trying to play savior to the world. it's part of life there's weird o's out there no matter where you go!
shea
I refuse to sign such a thing, She has not broken any rules of the site, thus, has the right to be here.
it's not up to us to take the law into our own hands.
people like hittler and stalin did just that and look what happened.
once we say the prisoners have too many rights, we take some away.
O look they have tv's and so on, let's take the m awa. O look, they are etting3 meals a day and can sleep on bunks, let's take those rights away too...
My point is that it's not our place to make a valued judgement, the courts have made their judgement, and they have done what seems fitting o them. Do we even know the fll case?
we don't, o i think we shouut up about it.and i have the same typing issues as puggle, sorries
I won't endorse such a petition.
The courts have made their decision by upholding the laws of their respective country, so shall be it. Case is dismissed.
I sign.
Sylvia
Well, this is interesting.
I believe that she was judged For what she did, but as far as going to the internet, what is the point, of judging her on here? The crime wasn't commited on the zone. I agree, she is paying the price, weather how lite or not it may be. This crime will follow her for the rest of her life, so why not just let it be? I no, it is human nature to judge people, but she is just as human as the rest of us. And some of us might not agree that she is paying the rite price, but who are we to say she shouldn't be aloud to be out on the internet? So I say, let her stick around.
I agree, the crime was not committed on here, but i also agree that she has serious issues to attempt to kill her ex partner. i know loads of people who have over protective parents, rubbish excuse for trying to kill someone in my opinion. this makes me sick. loads of people accuse the user blackbeard of being a profile, but fuck off. there are worse things out there, so look at yourselves those people that are accusing john of those things, there's this topic to start with.
Profile? Don't you mean a pedaphile, however like you said no one knows exactly what happened in john's case. I think someone misunderstood and then the rumors came and just got out of hand and people started believing them.
I think both of these issues should be forgotten we stick to our affairs and they to theirs.
I totally agree with all you people. I think banning her from the internet is just going too far, this site, i meant...
anyway, there are convicted child molesters and killers with the same sort of access...so, wat is your point?
if we bann her from this website what's stopping her from getting on websites like myspace and facebook will you complain to them also.
If we ban her from this web site, what's to stop us from banning anyone else we don't like.
Bob
yes, i did mean pedofile. and rumours are nasty, vicious things which, half the time aren't true, blackbeard is no pedofile, no child mollester, none of that. so think, how would you like it if those types of rumours are spread about yourselves? i agree now with everything that's gone on here. if you don't like her, ignore her. that's what the button's for.
I agree with the last post, you people complain too much, you don't like it, don't talk to her, it's not that difficult.
Seriously, this case is dismissed from the Zone's court. I have heard all of the arguments, and there is a general consensus that this user is innocent on the Internet. You know, innocent until proven guilty.
It is so ordered.
Signed,
Justice twkav, Friday, 23-Mar-2007 10:45:30 Eastern Daylight Time
Well, Just for our protection, I want this user banned. I agree with nikos, getting access to this site is a privalige that she doesn't deserve. Like my dad says, there's a consequence to every action, and she deserves all the punishment. If she's not punished, she won't change. Punishment is punishment, no exceptions! As an aside note, I recommend until she's banned, taking your first and last names out of your profile, and taking out you're location. This is a security precaution because she could track you down using such information.
From what I'm saying now, I, download87, sign the petition to ban cruel and tender elhemina.
I eill not sign the petition. nobody has taken the time to think about what may have driven her to such acts. She is a person, one that needs some support. If she had such a thing back then, maybe she would have not attempted such a thing. Audrey, Ignore theseclosed minded individuals. For when the fall, wouldn't they like someone to help them up too?
Katie, I fail to see the motivation for bringing this topic back up.
You weren't even a zoner when we discussed this person, and, obviously know nothing about it.
For someone who asks for help of all kinds on the zone, you sure are quick to kick another person when they are down.
Did your dad ever tell you "what goes around comes around"?
Bob
I agree with Bob (for a change). Really, why bring topics up from long ago when you know nothing about the situation?
I agree with both Bob and Becky.
Get your facts straight before you start wining and moaning about things.
This user WON'T, BE, BANNED!
End of story. So, live with that.
Oh yeah, as a sidenote, I share the sentiments of Thom3 of 5, about her probably not getting support when she needed it, and that before you pass judgment (about something you apparently know nothing of), go check the plank in your own eye.
She received punishment for what she did, and it's not the job of the so-called "Zone Gods" to determine her fate.
I don't think it's right for prisoners to have access to email when not even some low income people have it. Prisoners are there for punishment. I don't consider getting to chat online a punishment. It's a privelege. However, after saying that, if she wasn't coming here, she would go somewhere else. So, I don't really think it is my place to judge whether she can come here or not. I see that the admins have spoken, at least Q.
well, just my 2 things or whatever. no! she loved my audio profile! :) o, btw, i have 1! go check it out!